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Lulu tasting the aerial scent.
She’s in the yard, but it doesn’t matter. There’s prey out there in the fields by the lake or even yonder. Look at that Concorde nose working. I’m glad I caught that photo. Pity the background isn’t prettier, to match the dog. She grows lovelier by the moment, my old girl.
The Great Dane is not a scenthound. They don’t amble along, nose to ground. Although they can be very easily trained to track and they make good Search and Rescue dogs, because they have a wonderful sense of smell, they are a very special kind of Hound. They use all their senses. They were never required to specialize on ground scent so they retained all the ancestral hunting skills of the species – they hunt like wolves and use every trick a canine predator uses instinctively by nature. A clever dam will teach her puppies to hunt. No wonder the Dane taught some other hunting breeds a thing or two – Weimaraners and German Pointers, that is. Good all-rounders.
A Dane with a good game sense will first pick up the presence of quarry by air. No, of course not: they’re not specialized bird dogs – although it wouldn’t be untypical for a Dane to ‘point’ momentarily, like a Pointer, or ‘stalk’ crouching like a setter dog. But when they do this, suckling the aerial traces, there’s big game around for certain, you can bet your last penny – or just foxes. (They just love fox poo to roll on: it’s great scent camouflage so that the prey doesn’t smell them first). They will then give voice, to assemble the pack for the hunt – even if there isn’t a pack, only yourself – and take off in the direction of the quarry. If you take your Dane to a forest where there’s game you will notice a transformation. The Hound is unleashed. They go crazy. So be aware.
Lucy’s sense of smell is phenomenal. Doesn’t have to be hairy game, mind you, she can smell a sardine being wafted about in the next county. Very funny as I remember a well-known Dog Encyclopedia that was out many years ago, stating the breed doesn’t have a good sense of smell, and you should be careful when you approach them in the dark. Yes I would surely advise that too, if you’re approaching a Dane household, especially in the dark. Not because they can’t smell you – but because they can – and because you can’t see them, unless they want to. You’re most likely going to get a heart attack when a Dane barks in your earhole suddenly. It’s a blood-curdling, knee-softening, bowel-loosening sound and what’s even more spine-chilling is the glint in the eye, up close and personal enough to feel the hot breath in your face as the cavernous mouth opens in a mischievous smile.
They’re also notorious for letting you in and pouncing or grabbing you from the seat of your trousers you as you’re making your way out; your last thought as you hit the ground “that’s (not) funny I could swear there was no dog around”. I once woke up to the screams of a burglar who had jumped into the yard, cut the glass of the front door and was fiddling with the lock when Milady caught his wrist in the rather instantly persuasive grip of her molars. She hadn’t made a sound. She didn’t break the skin, either, as it wasn’t a predatory frenzy grip. She just waited for me to let her know of my wishes and make sure I didn’t feel threatened; she calmly held him captive until the police arrived; I told him to stop pulling his arm if he didn’t want to cause permanent damage to his wrist. I praised her for being such a good dog. She wasn’t trained to anything of the sort – they don’t need scenario fixations, as it tends to limit their ability to improvise and learn from experience (and that’s why I’m against schutzhund-type training for meaningful watch & protection dogs); if they’re clever, they develop instinctively protective in a safe controlled manner as they mature and are exposed to stimuli. They are very fast learners and good problem-solvers. So, beware. They love surprises.
The typical Dane game-locating stance is that of a gazehound. Might surprise some but since the olden times they were noted for holding their heads high – they don’t have the upright necks of the pure primitive gazehounds that locate moving prey purely by sight in the distance, but for seizing running deer you need to strike up and not down. So they didn’t need the long necks of the western sighthounds that hunt small fast prey on flat plains and need to reach down at full speed to catch it, either. The Dane’s prey were large animals – stags, harts, moose, elk, aurochs, bison, wolves, boars and even bears occasionally (or some unfortunate fox). That’s why they have strong necks and strong jaws, the length of the neck equals their head length, and has a good arch at the nape – that’s power, from great big atlas & axis vertebrae – but they’re not giraffes. They are made to run, run, run, and wear the quarry down. Endurance gallopers, they are – neither sprinters nor trotting specialists; hence, their body proportions are square.
Unlike what some folks might want to tell you, to justify breeding Hippo-types, the Great Dane was not a catch dog, like the smaller bullenbeissers, the heavier mastiffs and the bull-dogs that went to work after the fast dogs ran down the prey. They were coursing hounds. When the par force hunt died out together with the feudal era, the Danes were crossed with English Mastiffs, to create an all-round boar and stag hound. A dog to find, chase and wrestle the prey to the ground. It almost went full circle since the ancient times. And this is our modern Great Dane.
How do you know you have a Dane?
Does your dog occasionally milk the breeze, nose up, almost in a trance? nostrils twitching, mouth open, tasting the aerial scent, identifying the target, processing the information and after a few seconds, giving voice ? Head held high, neck proud, hackles half raised, muscle rippling on the broad thighs, unleashing a furious, determined deep bark, a call to arms? Half howl – half threat, woooooooh – woo- woo – whoo! Woof ! Woof!
And then the dog takes off, just a couple huge powerful leaps to reach full speed. Like watching a hunting lioness, you can feel the ground shaking, hear the pounding of every stride.
That’s one way to know, for sure, that your dog is a GREAT Dane.
photo: Chris Bithell
Wonderful description!
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Reading again the pingback blog “Milking the Air”.
You have given me some food for thought and I have in a certain way a same idea about what you describe about schutzhund – type training.
Like the part you wrote about this in relation to the Great Dane.
I refer in this matter to the Dobermann also a protection dog ( personal ) although that is written in many books and was a reason for creation.
If they bred with a sound nervous system and through selection a trustworty and stable character I’m almost for certain ( and they are well mature developed) that without they had have any bite/schutzhund training or whatever, they know
when and how to react and in action. Just from nature and not because of a certain trained way of conditioning.
I share this as a owner with no experience in the scenery of this sporting activities so I could be so wrong with my thought.
Could you explain what you mean with: are exposed to stimuli.
Do you mean created stimuli ( as a certain training/sport) or just all day things they can experience.
Hope it’s not a problem to give a comment to a older blog.
Thank you in advance.
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“If they (are) bred with a sound nervous system and through selection (for) a trustworthy and stable character I’m almost for certain ( and they are well mature developed) that without they had have any bite/schutzhund training or whatever, they know
when and how to react and in action.”
I am sure they would if they had the necessary intelligence, courage and protective instincts. The protective instinct is inherent in any dog but it can be bred out – the natural drive curbed, sidelined or muted.
By “exposed to stimuli” I meant naturally occurring threatening situations: if you are living in an area where many house burglaries occur, your dog would naturally become aware of the threats. If you are approached by a threatening individual on the street, your dog’s natural instincts will be triggered.
This “awakening” of the natural drives can be done by random occurrences or can be helped by cleverly devised scenarios, with the help of people that are not known to your dog, but not in the standard, predictable and lacking variety, bite-sleeve oriented scenario of the routine schutzhund training. It would be more like random encounters in the spirit of the more “realistic” Dutch school of protection training. And not centered in conditioning or rewarding the dog to react in a certain way. More, as a said, a purely random sequence of events to awaken the dog’s protective drive naturally, make it more “street wise” and aware, not more aggressive or pre-empting aggression. Just helping the dog to learn and read what precedes threatening behavior.
In that case I would first have the dog “diagnosed” for mental capacity and drives, using the very balanced and scientific Scandinavian type MH (Mental testing), which is a diagnosis and evaluation of natural drives, not of preconditioning / training. (See: http://www.lapphund.se/mheng.htm)
Thank you for your question and I hope my answer covers it.
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Thank you so much for responding and yes it covers up my answers and my own thought but it raises even more questions and thoughts about it.
It’s a very interesting subject and if I would ask the same question to some breeders from working lines I probably will get a whole other answer.
Do you have a example from what you called ‘realistic’ Dutch school of protection training and is this still been given.
I will share a thought and maybe it is because of my lack of knowledge but sometimes I think that all those high and unnatural way of training ( as I call it ) and events you have in this sport can maybe
do also some harm. Harm to the mind and because the high sporting adrenaline levels to the body because of unhealthy stress.
They can expose to it for a to long time and as with everything in life the mind and body needs balance and harmony.
In above matter I describe, I think that also when you have a dog with a sound nervous system you can go over the top with it and by pushing and training the dog can not recover on a normal level and time.
Yes, you were the first to share with me a few years ago about this MH test, do you know……
I was nice suprised with it and this year I have made through email communication contact with the SBK.
I was curious if some clubs from my own country had any benefit to add it in their program.
There was no progress in relation to this test in the Netherlands. There was more contact in Germany ( they have also made a translation in German language ).
This year there will be a new film about the MH test and they let me know if it is finnished.
Also this year the mentality group will be re-organized and if the new members are determined there will be again new contact.
Maybe I can share some material to some clubs in the Netherlands.
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I thought you might like to hear an example of one nine-month old puppy I was walking out one evening in the UK: I was approached by a man who was obviously drunk, walking erratically and I felt threatened. I really tensed and felt uncomfortable. Immediately my Great Dane felt this and growled at the man. He did not attack the man or made any move. He just looked at him and took a protective posture, hackles raised, and growled, low and warning. If the man had taken one step further towards us, I am sure my puppy would have reacted even more protectively. That 9 month-old Great Dane puppy had good instincts and these instincts were triggered by this experience. I have many more examples of dogs completely untrained for protection work reacting as they should.
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This is a good example, thank you ! I have had many years ago a rescue Boxer from almost 2 years, I was his fourth owner. Also one time in the eving during our walk together he react in a same way as you describe above. I also experience it with a other Boxer, there stopped a car and two persons asking at me for some mail address and I must looked to some papers, so I was close by. My Boxer smelled that there intention wasn’t good and growled and they drove quickly away. I experience this only with some of my Boxers not with my Dobermanns……and I never trained my Boxers for it.
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I really like Boxers… they are thinkers. They are less sharp than Dobes so they will only react in real danger not because of sharpness …
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Yes you are correct: even with a dog of good nerves and mental equilibrium the training can go too far and damage the dog. It all depends on the trainer and their methods. Because many who train for sports are extremely interested in the competition aspect and winning at all costs. And dogs get damaged, both physically and mentally. Some dogs will never be suitable for a social environment after training – you know that is the case with dogs deployed with some aspects of Police work and some Military dogs. After deployment these dogs are euthanized – they are not capable or re-adjusting to “civilian” life. In other words, they would be dangerous:
https://www.forces.net/news/figures-show-38-military-dogs-put-down-last-year
This is KNPV – full body bitework and all the info about it:
http://www.vonasgard.com/breedingtrainingarticles/knpvstyleprotection.html
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I was thinking about KNPV when you mention Dutch school of protection training but wasn’t for sure. Thanks also for the links.
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